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The current medical pot distribution system is not a viable economic
model for
getting medical pot to the people.
for numerous reasons:
The sole purpose of the CA Medical Pot law was to allow very sick patients a legal defense to use medical pot. Selling legal medical pot at illegal prices is wrong ethically and is illegal (since by CA state law medical pot providers are suppose to be non-profit operations).
Or, would you pay $1,000 to have a tire fixed? Or, would you pay $6,400 for a head of lettuce which weights about a pound? Well, thats what my "compassionate" pot provider would sell me a 1/8 oz for $50 (50*8*16). Lettuce is sold by the ton, not by the 1/8, 1/4, ounce, or gram. Its a plant!!!! Farmers, would be happy to get $1,000 for each lettuce plant they grow. Laotian farmers are growing medical pot in the rich farm land of California's central valley are making big bucks. Growing pot in good soil of the valley and in the sun, they grow thousands of plants on just one 140 acre farm. Their pot plants grow over ten feet tall the size of trees and yeild 3 to 10 pounds per plant. About $2,500 in state and $4,000 out of state. So, 10 pounds of pot on one plant yields $25,000 per plant. Or, $40,000 if they sell the pot out of state. Whereas, a tomato plant yeilds only pennies.
Current medical pot users, mostly ex or current pot smokers, are just the tip of the iceberg of potential medical pot users. There are literally millions of potential medical pot patients. Distributing medical pot via dispensaries or delivery services would be a insane way to dispense pot to the masses. When I visit my Drs waiting rooms, I am constantly amazed at the seriously ill patients that are clueless as to how medical pot will help them. Most think that medical pot is only useful for pain or will get them high. Seriously ill patients are not trying to get high but are trying to achieve a state of "normalcy". Some folks take cough syrup to get high while others take it to deal with their colds and drink massive amounts of it. Very few of the medical pot users are really sick. Most are just "medicating" to get high. Studies done on Colorado Dispensaries report that only 1% of users are seriously ill. This country already has a excellent system for delivering drugs safely and efficiently to the masses. It's called the "drug store". California pot dispensaries were set up to delivery pot when it was illegal to dispense medical pot under Federal law. In California Pot Dispensaries justified their high prices for the Federal risk they took. But, by CA law Senate Bill 420 they are not suppose to be storefronts. Instead, they are required to be non-profit collectives. Where pot is distributed free to members of the collective whom grow it. Also no one owns the collective. However, now that medical pot is Federally legal (if you follow state law) medical pot should now be distributed in drug stores as are all my other drugs are. IMHO, pot providers crossed a line when they continued to sell medical pot at the old illegal prices. There are over 50 million peple in the USA that can't afford heath insurance. How are they suppose to afford $50 for 1/8 of a ounce of pot per week, or $200/month? Medicine is just not for the rich who have health insurance it is for everyone that needs it for life threatening issues. Street prices are insane for medical pot!
Whereas, medical pot users need large quantities to "medicate" daily. Most pot users are allowed to grow "pounds" for their personal use. Each pot plant yields between 1-2 pounds of pot (dried flowers of the female plant). Most states allow medical users to grow at least 10 plants per year for their personal use. Very sick folks are allowed up to 50 plants here in California. Would you buy your "Zanax" by the pill or would you buy it by the bottle? Currently, buying medical pot is like buying it by the "pill" instead of the by the bottle. Why should buying medical pot be any different than buying "Zanax" at my local drug store? What makes it so special? Greed!! Drug companies would just love to sell their drugs by the pill instead of by the bottle.They could increase their profits by the millions or billions.
Pro/con suggests "Marijuana is typically purchased by patients in 1/8 ounce (3.5 grams) quantities at a usual purchase price of $50 per 1/8 ounce for marijuana that is considered moderate to high quality. IMHO,$60 for a 1/8 is rather high so I would use $50 for 1/8 a ounce. Then the average per gram daily cost is therefore considered to be $14.28.($50/3.5g) per gram . Hence, a average daily dose of 1 gram of medical pot would cost $14.28 daily, monthly $443 ($14.28*310), and yearly $5,314 ($443*12) for medical. These figure would be higher if the patient used more than 1 gram a day which is very low for a seriously ill patient with ALS or cancer. However, most folks who have a serious disability do not work and live on a Federal disability check. A Federal disability check for the poor on Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is $698 per month. Social Security Disability (SSD) check averages about $1,200 monthly and can be more depending on how long you worked. The disabled on federal disability cannot afford to pay half or more of their disability check for medical pot they have other expense they need to live on like rent, food, etc.
The same is true for pot smokers most are not bmombed out 24/7. They buy small quanitites of pot to smoke occassionaly like the social drinkers. However, medical pot users may need to take their medical pot several times a day for their condition.
In San Luis Obispo County (SLO), you don't even need a business license. Just put a ad in your local free paper and your in business legally. Out of seven delivery services busted in SLO in December 2010, only one had a valid buisness license. Yup, just put a AD in the local newspaper for selling medical pot and now your legal. Go SLO county!! The delivery services busted in SLO were not exactly guiltless: --They also sold the pot to the cops in a hotel room. Other, more respectable and honest pot delivery services in SLO that didn't get busted because they only deliver/ sell to the client’s house. They refused to take the police bait and deliver/ sell to a client in a hotel room. However, drug stores like CVS, Rite-Aid do not deliver to hotel rooms either! --The busted delivery services caught had almost $492,931 in cash. According to state law (S420) enacted after the 1996 proposition, medical pot is only to be sold in "Non-profit" collectives. I guess the half million was for the employee Xmass fund! I do deplore the police swat team tactics that were used to arrest the seveen SLO delivery services. Instead a police official in uniform at their door could have just given them a citation/summons to appear for their violations as they would probably treat any other business that was violating the law in SLO. If the SLO police suspect that the delivery services is a scam then the police then should investigate the doctors for writing the bogus scripts. The pot delivery services are only providing a legal drug to users with legitimate doctor scripts.This would compel the doctors to stop writing blanket bogus scripts for medical pot. If police suspected a drug store like CVS is selling to many oxy pain pills they don't raid the CVS. Instead they investigate the doctors that wrote the oxy scripts. Many "happy pill" doctors have been busted this way.
I have a older friend who is in her 60's, who recently called up a dispensary and asked what pot would be best for her severe Arthritis and Fibromyalgia. The dispensary guy first told her the pot brownies are not made today by throwing the pot into the brownie mix as she probably did back in the 60's. She told them she never made pot brownies nor smoked it back in the 60's. . The guy went on to explain to her how she could buy pot edibles, THC capsules hash, slaves, oinments, or several different kinds of pot to smoke. She asked if she could try a sample of each to try out to see which worked best for her. She was told she would have to buy in quantity to get the "free" sample discount. My friend was totally confused after talking to him. She thought she was getting the whole plant as in buying lettuce and not just the dried flower of the female plant. It took me awhile to straighten her out on the how to's of buying, smoking, and baking pot. She was used to a doctor writing a script for a symptom and her going to a drug store and buying and swallowing the pill. Nice,simple, and effective.
Other than needing a Drs. letter to buy medical pot...Nothing!!!! Same Prices. Same growers. Same Sellers. Same Customers. Same Strains. No quality control You have no idea what you buying. Is it really 100% "Burmese Kush" with a 20% THC content that I'm buying?
In December of 2010 several pot delivery services were raided in San Luis Obispo county in CA. Most of services busted didn't even have a "business license". Over $200,00 in cash and deposits were found. I guess since they were non-profit it was all for the employee Xmass fund. How many drug dealers do you know of that go broke growing/selling pot? Going back to the 60's I can't recall even one. The legal providers have it much easier than illegal providers. They have a certified captive market to sell to, they don't have to worry about someone busting down your door, and don't have all the expenses that the illegal growers have. Yet, they still claim they are going broke. Yah, right!!
Wall street bankers would be very proud of my CA dispensareis for the insane prices they charge and get away with it. Actually the dispensories are worst than the wall street bankers. In that wall street bankers aren't KILLING anyone with their foreclosures. Whereas, denying the poor and very sick access to a drug that will help them live will has killed or made them worst people by forcing them to use dangerous drugs instead of pot. And they call it the "compassionate use act"? It's more like "lets get rich off the sick act". Ah, execuse me, prices are already skyhigh. Would you pay $6,400 for a pond of pot? Well that's what my compassionate delivery service would charge me retail prices. A head of lettuce which weights about a pound and cost me about $1 retail. Pot is a plant. No its a weed.
The government actually denied penicillin to poor Blacks in the Tuskee syphilis experiment. and denied it to them for over 30 YEARS!!! The goverment denied them penicillin because it wanted to study the complications resulting from untreated syphilis. If pot is ILLEGAl than the high "street" prices justify the risk to grow it and sell it. But, when medical pot is legal as it is in 15 states, then it is unethical, insane, and greedy to continue to sell it at "street" prices.
I don't search all over the county for my other drugs which I get at my local pharmacy. Why is pot so special? I don't go to a Xanax dispensary to get Xanax!
Whereas, with dispensary pot you don't know what the dosage strength is. The THC strength could be between 20 and 100%. If its baked its near 80%. Or close to 100%, if it is extracted and refined into hash. Each plant has a different THC content. Dispensary pot is generally not greater than 25% THC. CA allows medical patients to grow several plants, because the THC content is not consistent with each plant. Whereas , with THC caps that are extracted and refined, the THC levels in the caps can be precisely determined and hence accurately dispense rather than a random number as in dispensary pot.
So, why do medical pot providers do it? Are they really concerned about combating crime or is it just another reason to jack up their prices?
Pot dispensaries face a difficult challenge just getting approved in a locale in CA and elsewhere who usually view it as a undesirable NIMBY store front operation bringing unwanted attention in their community.
Or, as Mr. Buckie Minor of Full Spectrum Laboratories in Denver, says "You don't go into a Walgreens with a headache and put on a blindfold and pick something off a shelf. But that's what some people are doing when they buy (medical) marijuana".
Would you pay $6,400 for a one pound head of lettuce? Well, that's what my "compassionate" dispensary here in CA would sell me retail for a pound of pot. Wholesale: Mendocino County bud is from around $2000 to $2800 per lb and good indoor goes from $3000-$3800 a lb. In fact the corporate slogan of Wegrow is:"There's no such thing as a $10,000 tomato!." IMHO this is sick! Tomatoes or pot plants don't cost $10,000. Pot is a medicine like penicillin which should never be rationed to the sick and poor. If pot is illegal than the price is justified, but not when it is legal. It is just price gouging. Wegro used to be Igrow and is trying to become the Walmart of a nationwide chain of franchised hydro grow stores. It is not cheap to join either. Wegrow only wants 6% of your monthly profits for the franchise fee. In December, 2011 the fee dropped to only $2,000/month What a deal! Heck, its only $10,000 tomatoes your selling to sick & poor folks. Or, would you pay $50 for a six pack of beer for the "risk" taken to make it? Beer is legal to make and sell. Pot is legal to grow & sell for medical use in CA and 14 other states. Accoring to Tommy Chung in the pro-pot movie "Uniion", "The price of pot is insane! Wheat is sold by the ton. Not by the 1/4 ounce, 1/8 ounce, ounce or by the gram." Pot is a PLANT!!! No, it's is WEED which means it grows very eassily. It doesn’t cost thousands of $ to grow. Some sunshine, water, and fertilizer is all it takes to grow wheat. It doesn't need a caretaker to grow. I can show you 16 foot hemp plants growing by fine by interstate highways in Kansas that were planted by farmers to make rope for WWII for the government. Growing corn is very similar to growing pot. The exception, being you would at some time you have to go into the field and cull the male plants so you would only harvest the flowers of the female plants. It really doesn't cost that much to grow. Canada pays a grower about $160 a pound (or $10 a ounce) to grow its medical pot in a underground mine with all those fancy power sucking grow lights. Canada then charges its pot patients about $150 for a ounce. or 15 times what they paid for it. Read Here Why? All their other drugs are provide free by the Canadian government. Why is medical pot different? Canada has even cut off some medical pot users for not paying their pot bill. I am not against the pot "farmers" trying to get the most for their crop. However, I am opposed to pot "providers" who are now at zilch risk (if they follow their state laws) still charging the prices they did when it was illegal under federal law. Now that medical pot is legal under Federal law the price should drop. Its up to the pot provider to tell their farmer "do you want to make this a legal or legal grow?". Keeping the price insanely high to folks that are poor, or too sick to grow it or cannot afford the alternatives (storefront dispensaries, or black market) are suffering needlessly. This is like "a merchant going to a famine-ravaged country and selling marked-up food to make money off the misery of others."
However, where pot is illegal this step is usually skipped and the grower just wants to grow it and sell it fast and not get caught with it. So modern growers opt to grow plants that already have up to 20% THC content. When they looked for gold here in CA they didn’t just look for 28 pound rocks of gold. Instead they took gold ore from grains to nuggets and REFINED it into 28 pound bars of gold. Refining and extracting is a basic fact of life on the planet for manufacture of many metals and materials From zinc to iron. In Afghanistan farmers don't try to grow the "perfect" high yielding opium plant to make heroin. Instead they extract the opium from acres of opium pants they grow on rich agricultural land refine it into heroin. It is very profitable to grow pot. Cocaine has a 18,000% profit margin. Pot's is at least half of that or 9,000% profit. Low grade pot could be easily grown commercially on thousands of acres of "prime" agricultural land. using the sun. Instead of being grown in small gardens indoors/outdoors in unaccessible areas in heavily irrigated/fertilized soil.
Currently the staff in the hospitals, rest homes steal them. Pot keeps disappearing from the nursing stations when it is kept there. The THC caps could also be broken open and baked into brownies and other foods. It could also be broken open and put on incense sticks and inhaled. Before pot was made illegal incense had hash in it. Can you imagine walking into a Greek, Roman, or Egyptian temple 3,000 years ago with all the incense burners going full blast? You would definitely feel you were in the presence of the Gods. THC caps would allow Drs to write pot scripts in these states. Cancer, ALS, MS, arthritis patients in these states will not have to wait 20 or 50 years for the medical pot laws to change in their states. Millions of patients will not have to die or suffer without legal access to medical pot.
So, rather that trying to grow the perfect pot plant with the right mix of cannabinoids it would be much easier to extract and refine them in a laboratory. Read more: Cover story: The United States of Amerijuana, Time Magazine, November 11, 2010
My THC caps controlled my chemotherapy very good 30 years ago.The cannabinoids in pot can be extract and refined into any mix that you want. This is much easier than trying to grow the perfect pot plant with the perfect cannabinoids mix. Dispensaries tend to brag about how strong their pot is by how it smells. Well, I don't "sniff" my oxycotin pills to see how strong they are. Instead, my Doctor orders in the script how strong my "oxy" should be like 5, 10, or 30mg. This a much safer and precise way than "sniffing it". Seriously ill folks (usually 1% of the dispensary's patients) are not trying to get high. Instead, they just want to be "feel" normal. Sick folk don't care how it smells. I use cough meds to get rid of a cold not to get high. I usually take the cold medicine around the clock, since one dose of cough medicine is not going to do it. Sick folk usually need strong meds for them to work. Whereas, folks trying to get "high" do use anywhere near what a sick person would use in a 24 hour period nor do they need stronger doses to get high.
With medical pot each dose is not pure, repeatable nor is it consistent. It could have any mix of cannabinoids in it. When My Dr. gives me a script it doesn't say: Take as many Xanax pills as you want from this bottle of 100 pills that are 5mg, 100mg, or 500mg Xanax. My pharmacy also has only kind of Xanax, where one bottle is the same as the next. Whereas, in some pot dispensaries their can be as many as 30 different strains of pot each with a different cannabinoid mix for each strain and none of them are identical. Read: Where Marijuana Is a Point of Pride As Dr. Riveras, CO says: "What bothers me, as a physician, is this: if it's medical, then treat it like a pharmaceutical. Educate me, and my patients, about rational use, proper dosages, potential benefits for each approved condition, potential side effects, and how to manage them. Put a good, consistent product in the pharmacy of my hospital, so when I write a prescription, I know what my patient is getting. Don't call it "medical" if some MD can "treat" you for 5 minutes and approve your trip down the street to marijuana milkshake night. It's a travesty to call this medicine." Posted as Comment (#72) to New York Times story "When Capitalism Meets Cannabis"
There are over 23.6 million folks ( or 7.8% of the population) that have diabetes. Millions more are undigagnosed (5.7 million) or pre-diabetic (57 million). A lot of them are suffering from neuropathy "nerve" pain. Pot works really well for nerve pain and general pain. Our bodies naturally make pain relievers called endorphins, but they also make other substances that can trigger pain relief in the so-called endocannabinoid system. This system seems to play a key role in many processes in the body, including modulating how we feel pain. Marijuana contains cannabinoids very similar to those that occur in the body naturally. Pot also works really well for controlling diabetic's blood sugars. Just as fast as sugar will rise my blood sugar, pot will lower it. Remember the Pot munchie effect? At least they will be "happy" diabetics! Not all pot does this since there are over 400 cannabinoids in pot However, I have found the higher the THC content in pot the better it will lower my blood sugars. I have also read reports of (Type I) insulin dependent diabetics throwing away there needles and blood meters and just using pot to control it. Perhaps it acts like a insulin mimic. See...Treating Diabetes with Cannabis?
Cannabis has been proven to kill cancer cells in lab tests without harming the healthy cells present. http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/ Dave Triplett (and others) have used cannabis oil (topically) to cure melanoma as he shows in his short movie about his own experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghUh4ubbg Dennis Hill was diagnosed with prostate cancer and used cannabis oil (by ingestion) to cure himself. His blog about his experience is quite detailed. http://web.me.com/dbhill/cure/Home.html Many people have seen similar results, including a number of stage 4 cancer sufferers given ‘hemp oil’ by Rick Simpson in Canada, who discovered this cannabis oil methodology. They were cured by ingesting it. (Rick said there was about a 70% recovery rate in those stage 4 folks; the rest died as their prognosis forecast.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI"
Vaporizers can cost anywhere from $200 to $400. Whereas, to take a THC capsule all you need is a glass of water. THC capsules can also be broken open and added to or baked into food, or the THC oil could be smoked.
I've talked to many poor/sick who cannot afford their medical pot. Being unable to sleep for days because you cannot afford your medical pot is really sick.
In a study done in JAMA Pediatrics: Children who injested medical pot ranged from 8 months to 12 years old.and were released, observed or hospitalized for medical treatment.According to Dr. Jeffery Galinkin, "This is a public health disaster that's just waiting to happen".
No one said, they were there to get rich off of medical pot. We were there because we knew that pot helped a lot of different diseases besides cancer. And we didn't want them to worry about it being illegal to use while they were sick. And that is why we were there and why we worked to get it voted in. Not to get rich! We called it the "Compassionate use act" and not the "Lets get rich off the sick act". Which it has since become. "Compassion" has been taken out of it now and now its just pure greed driven. Read: I got mine. Screw the poor and sick!
IMHO, medical pot providers are worst than the Wall street bankers that caused the 2008 worldwide economic meltdown: 1) Pot works really well for my massive nere pain. But, by making pot un-affordable to me medical Pot providers have cause me to be in a constant state of "intense physiscal pain". Whereas, no Wall street bankers has caused me real physical pain which I feel every waking minute of every day. IMHO, you really got to be a asshole to keep someone in physical pain 2) The insane profits pot providers selling legal pot at illegal prices, make far outdoes whatever profits Wall street bankers have made. Pot providers profits can be as high as 1,000 times the actual value. And then they sell it basically by the dose (pill) which futher increases their over all profits. Whereas, no Wall Street banker has has made that kind of profit selling bonds. |